tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876502085465766394.post8426960686514533461..comments2024-01-17T03:08:25.317-06:00Comments on The Progressive Catholic Voice: You Are Not My Father, You Are My BrotherPCV Editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12519134580470262558noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876502085465766394.post-12217254697056015602010-05-27T09:58:28.842-05:002010-05-27T09:58:28.842-05:00Just today. You will enjoy this since morose delec...Just today. You will enjoy this since morose delectation seems to appeal to you. Please apply the same logic to this that you do elsewhere.<br /><br />One of Italy’s most outspokenly dissenting Catholic priests, Domenico Pezzini, has been arrested for abuse of a male teenaged victim. Pezzini, a 73 year-old priest of the diocese of Lodi, was arrested Monday in Milan. Police also revealed that a large quantity of child pornography had been found after a search of Pezzini’s residence.<br /><br />In keeping with mainstream media coverage of clerical sex abuse, the Italian media is presenting the abuse as a case of “pedophilia,” or the abuse of a child. Nevertheless, police have made it public that the victim was not a child, but a minor adolescent, between 13 and 16, at the time of the alleged abuse, over three years ago.<br /><br />Pezzini, a professor of English linguistics at the University of Verona, is a celebrity for homosexualist activists in the Catholic Church in Italy. In the 1980s, he helped to found a group, called The Source, similar to that of New Ways Ministry in the U.S., that attempted to pressure the Catholic Church to accept homosexual activity. He has authored several books defending homosexual behavior.<br /><br />In 1999, Pezzini wrote an article attacking then-Cardinal Ratzinger after the latter had disciplined Sr. Jeannine Gramick and Fr. Robert Nugent, the founders of New Ways Ministry, who had refused to assent to Catholic teaching on sexuality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876502085465766394.post-47440822350151561832010-05-27T09:47:42.835-05:002010-05-27T09:47:42.835-05:00Ah Michael, truth hurts doesn't it? Why did ma...Ah Michael, truth hurts doesn't it? Why did major homosexual groups in Holland lobby to decrease the age of consent to 12? And you have read "gay" literature that abounds in stories of adult men and teens. The original Queer as Folk had a 15 year old in a relationship with an adult and there was not a peep of protest from homosexuals. In California after prop 8 we saw how homosexuals assaulted people in the streets and tried to burn down churches. Every state where it has come on the ballot has voted against gay "marriage." Once people realize the full agenda you lose. <br /><br />Your hatred for the Church must be challenged. Your use of the abuse cases to bash the Church and lobby for your agenda is despicable. You could care less about the children. In groups like Courage the Church offers you hope and you spurn it. If you don't like what the Church teaches then join one that you agree with or start your own. Catholicism will NEVER accept your heretical views. There is no room in the Church for such things. As a repentant sinner you are welcome, but not to undermine the faith. You are intolerant, fanatical, and fundamentalist. It is wrong to attempt to foist your view on the rest of the Church. Slowly but surely the tide has turned against your agenda. Real reform is happening. Time for you to either join in or follow your conscience out the door. Choose now whom you will serve, but me and my house will serve the Lord.<br /><br />Veritas,<br />CestusdeiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876502085465766394.post-52046713190683768042010-05-26T22:33:40.423-05:002010-05-26T22:33:40.423-05:00Oh, boy! You're really showing your true color...Oh, boy! You're really showing your true colors now! And what ghastly colors they are. I thank God that your way of viewing homosexuality is increasingly becoming a thing of the past, and that humanity and, yes, that includes the Christian church, is moving way beyond where you're at.<br /><br />I "protest too much" you say? Friend, I'll <em>never</em> stop speaking out to counter and refute the kind of ignorant anti-gay rhetoric that your spouting here. For even though what you're saying is, to many people, utterly lacking in reason and compassion, it nevertheless appeals to a certain fanatical, intolerant, and fundamentalist mindset that, sadly, remains capable of causing great harm to people, families, and communities. This mindset, and the attitudes, words, and actions that both express and further fuel it, must always be challenged. <br /><br />Peace,<br /><br />MichaelMichael J. Baylyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03087458490602152648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876502085465766394.post-33238474316961008052010-05-26T15:15:14.928-05:002010-05-26T15:15:14.928-05:00Methinks you doth protest too much. Not fun being ...Methinks you doth protest too much. Not fun being on the receiving end is it? Yet you post articles that blame everything except the most obvious cause. If you read the article I referred you too you would be challenged to say the least. Sipe is an ex-priest with an agenda. He is also a psychologist. I wonder when psychologists will come clean on their releasing abusers back to work and telling bishops they were "cured." They are very very quiet about that I notice. Actually most homosexuals are by definition psychosexually immature. Same sex attraction is a disorder. It should be returned to the DSM and research on treatment should resume.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876502085465766394.post-16638507871448730412010-05-26T14:39:09.667-05:002010-05-26T14:39:09.667-05:00Following is an insightful quote from Richard Sipe...Following is an insightful quote from Richard Sipe, a leading expert in the study of the Roman Catholic Church's clergy sex abuse crisis. Note that while Sipe acknowledges the large percentage of gay men in the clerical structure of the church, he does not place blame on homosexuality for the clergy sex abuse crisis. Instead, he identifies the psychosexual immaturity of many within the priesthood, regardless of sexual orientation, as the root of the crisis as it relates to children and minors.<br /><br />"The [Roman Catholic] clerical system is significantly homosexual in orientation. This fact should neither be surprising nor derogatory. The structure and culture of the Roman Catholic Church makes room and positive use of the great reservoir of talent represented in the gay community. But just as gay priests can be exemplary pastors some, too, can remain underdeveloped. Because such a large proportion of the clerical community – bishops and priests – is homosexual a greater proportion of the sexual abusers of minors are gay and their victims, male. . . <br /><br />"Psychosexually immature men are prone to select sexually immature partners. A substantial proportion of priests (fall in love) or become sexually involved with children or minors under the guise and self-delusion that they are being kind. . . . A significant number of Roman Catholic clergy are psychosexually immature. This has been studied and well documented. The church prefers men and women on this level of development for church service because they are easier to control – they tend to be idealistic, dependent, obedient to authority, in need of causes and devoted to people they feel are strong; underdeveloped people are responsive to well defined boundaries that make them feel special (superior) and secure."Michael J. Baylyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03087458490602152648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876502085465766394.post-90887745538692168352010-05-26T14:29:10.122-05:002010-05-26T14:29:10.122-05:00Sorry, Cestusdei, but the "facts" you...Sorry, Cestusdei, but the "facts" you're imploring folks to face do not support your claim that homosexuality is the cause of the Roman Catholic Church's clergy sex abuse crisis. Also, you're yet to show how the John Jay Study supports this particular claim. <br /><br />Also, I think it needs to be noted that if the John Jay Study had not limited itself to studying abuse cases under (I believe) the age of 18, then we'd be seeing a lot more evidence of abuse by straight male clergy of women. Indeed, I've heard some say that if these cases were included then the Roman Catholic sex abuse crisis would be understood as a "heterosexual" problem. <br /><br />The bottom line for me, however, is that it's a <em>sex</em> abuse crisis, and both gay and straight people are equally capable of choosing to abuse sexually. Being gay doesn't make one more prone to being an abuser. That's an erroneous assumption and has no place in any credible discussion on this particular crisis in the church. <br /><br />To be honest, Cestusdei, you come across as a cheerleader for Bill Donahue and his discredited "blame the gays" tactic. No one's buying it, my friend. It's a simplistic, erroneous, and ideologically-driven argument. <br /><br />For those interested in a more honest and balanced treatment of the issue, I offer the various posts that can be found <a href="http://thewildreed.blogspot.com/search/label/Clergy%20Sex%20Abuse%20Scandal" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />Peace,<br /><br />MichaelMichael J. Baylyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03087458490602152648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876502085465766394.post-4842378423713277782010-05-25T17:31:22.417-05:002010-05-25T17:31:22.417-05:00How exactly does the John Jay Study "bolster&...How exactly does the John Jay Study "bolster" the supposed "truth" of your argument. It's simply not good enough to make such a statement (totally false, in my view) and not back it up with facts.Michael J. Baylyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03087458490602152648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876502085465766394.post-18201053205018138492010-05-25T17:21:46.115-05:002010-05-25T17:21:46.115-05:00Actually the study bolsters the truth of the argum...Actually the study bolsters the truth of the argument. The "tired old argument" is the one that uses the scandals as a way to push for the kind of change that made the scandals possible in the first place. It is time for Trent II. If you don't like the Catholic faith then the Episcopal church is desperate for new members. They do everything Sheila asks for, but people are leaving in droves. They have their own scandals to boot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876502085465766394.post-47696969150478236192010-05-23T22:46:20.918-05:002010-05-23T22:46:20.918-05:00Hi, Cestusdei. It seems to many Catholics that it&...Hi, Cestusdei. It seems to many Catholics that it's the "ideological agenda" of the church's clerical caste that is attempting to trump common sense in this matter. <br /><br />Also, I'm not sure how you can make the case for homosexuality being the "predominate cause" of the clergy sex abuse crisis when the study commissioned by the U.S. bishops refutes that rather tired old argument. (See <a href="http://thewildreed.blogspot.com/2009/11/report-homosexuality-no-factor-in.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://thewildreed.blogspot.com/2010/04/donohues-blame-gays-tactic-refuted-by.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.)Michael J. Baylyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03087458490602152648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876502085465766394.post-40529524936025629282010-05-23T17:03:54.691-05:002010-05-23T17:03:54.691-05:00Fascinating and predictable. Feminists always refe...Fascinating and predictable. Feminists always reference "power" language. It's all about "power." They even desire ordination so that they can use "power" to get changes they want enacted. Most priests don't see the term "Father" in that way at all. They are Fathers in a real sense. They do nurture and protect. Some are bad Fathers, but that doesn't make the concept of Fatherhood bad. I have seen many absurd ideas about abuse, but blaming the calling of priests Father is a new one. In fact it is most often those with same sex attraction who commit these crimes and they have no desire to be Father at all. The pink elephant in the living room is that homosexuality is the predominate cause. But I guess that ideological agenda's trump common sense when one is seeking "power."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com