tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876502085465766394.post9222354010131877286..comments2024-01-17T03:08:25.317-06:00Comments on The Progressive Catholic Voice: What the Nuns' Story is Really AboutPCV Editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12519134580470262558noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876502085465766394.post-6071961597777243292012-06-24T22:53:48.160-05:002012-06-24T22:53:48.160-05:00Anonymous - I'm not surprised that you don'...Anonymous - I'm not surprised that you don't allow your name to be known because if I were to defend an archaic,misogynist and deluded enclave of old men in Rome, I wouldn't want anyone to know either. Paula,grandma and Fr. Koesel have IMO seen the light that in this modern era, we need the Church and all its parts, the leadership, the nuns and the laity, to be in constant dialogue in understanding what the Gospels require. <br />I must assume that you are a male since you do not value the great works done by the nuns in administering to those that need help and succor. The old guard in the Vatican is led by a pope who was one of the shock troops that oversaw the CDF when he was a cardinal imposing Rome's view of the world no matter how the rest of the church felt. <br />Living with your head in the sand leaves your primary asset buried and exposes another.<br /><br />ciao from lee witoszkin,<br />an old man who can still recognize the folly of dictatorship when it rears its head.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04122118145185574672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876502085465766394.post-59584393838300077042012-06-10T02:26:43.300-05:002012-06-10T02:26:43.300-05:00AMEN, Anonymous!AMEN, Anonymous!Joseph Usherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17320783602356436358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876502085465766394.post-36774935888186372312012-06-04T16:40:54.329-05:002012-06-04T16:40:54.329-05:00Grandma,
Um.... When exactly did serious Catholi...Grandma,<br /><br />Um.... When exactly did serious Catholic theologians debate whether or not women had souls? <br />And when did the Church define dogmatically that the sun revolves around the earth?<br /> <br /><br />If this is what your history books say, you need to get a new library.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876502085465766394.post-37743375688329103492012-06-03T18:40:51.608-05:002012-06-03T18:40:51.608-05:00Bravo, Fr. Koesel! I admire your courage, especial...Bravo, Fr. Koesel! I admire your courage, especially in these times when the witch hunts are alive and well among the conservative idealogues. They need to learn the history of the church. The church can be, and has been WRONG. Theologians of the past debated whether women have souls. The church taught as a matter of dogma that the sun revolves around the earth. The church was responsible for the torture and slaughtet of Jews and Muslims and any whom it deemed to be "infidels" in the days of the inquisition. The church forbade the burial of suicide victims in consecrated ground. Many of the great saints were reformers and dissenters who were determined to root out malignancy in the heirarchy. The papacy itself has been shockingly corrupt, riddled with scandal--including incest, murder, debauchery, fiscal and political corruption, collusion with nazism and fascism. Wake up, people! The Holy Spirit is calling for a new era, for a return to gospel values that have norhing to do with that insular club of deluded old men in Rome. Are they circling the wagons? You bet they are! Their day is fast coming to an end. Thanks be to God.Grandmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13217841889737614709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876502085465766394.post-30299748132636645182012-06-03T09:44:05.469-05:002012-06-03T09:44:05.469-05:00Seems to me, these exiles should have transferred ...Seems to me, these exiles should have transferred into congregations that more closely fit their concept of religious vocation. It's hard for me to generate much sympathy for women who preferred to stay in place and complain and gossip, rather than find spiritual life in another setting.colkochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03432916690101599393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876502085465766394.post-72436626385598640472012-06-02T11:57:28.698-05:002012-06-02T11:57:28.698-05:00Dear Anonymous. Does it have to be only one way, ...Dear Anonymous. Does it have to be only one way, either/or? There has always been pluralism in religious orders; each congregation has its own charism. Is it reasonable to say that there should be no criticism of Church leadership? Isn't it more reasonable to say that Church leadership and all the different modes of being consecrated religious should be in dialogue about what the Gospel requires?Paulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00135199120788030871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-876502085465766394.post-10755510546653709582012-06-02T09:51:31.669-05:002012-06-02T09:51:31.669-05:00""The Old Testament is not as important ...""The Old Testament is not as important as the New Testament..." Bravo! So glad to know that Marcionism is alive and well!<br /><br />Koesel's invocation of Blessed Teresa is outrageous. The Missionaries of Charity do not belong to the LCWR, and quite deliberately so. Blessed T was all about obedience and commitment to the shepherds of the Church, a Church that is, as the Council reminded us, both mystical and hierarchical. <br /><br />The fact is that for so many beautiful sisters, sisters who have pledged their lives to Christ and the Church, a silent, "soft" persecution has existed for years. The communities to which these heroins belong have become spiritual wastelands and these sisters have become exiles in their own communities - women who still wear the habit despite the patronizing looks of the wilting and dying leadership of their communities. Women who shake their heads as they endure bizarre and radically anti-Christian propaganda spewed forth during study days and convocations. These are the real points of light in our Church - the women who pray for the world as they watch the community they love be destroyed by women inspired by great intentions but woefully unrooted from the Gospel, a Gospel which always leads us to union with the Church, an institution that is both mystical and visible. <br /> <br />For these women, the reform of LCWR is a great gift, a gift that is long overdue and indeed, an answer to a whispered prayer for deliverance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com